6 thoughts on “The LDS Church’s Most Overlooked and Underrated Scripture

  1. I have friends who claim to have had this experience. I believe they believe they have, but I have a hard time believing it. I have no doubt they are sincere in their claims, though.

    Joseph’s 1832 account bears more than a passing similarity to Lehi’s in 1 Nephi 1: noon-day sun, pillar of fire. It even borrows from Luke 2.

    The 1838 account came after the 1837 Kirtland Apostasy, when faith in JS was low. Also in 1838 David Patten warned the church not to sin against the authority of Joseph Smith. How better to reassert that authority than to claim a personal visitation of God the Father and Jesus Christ? (Patten died later that year in the Battle of Crooked Creek. Perhaps coincidental. Perhaps not.)

    In 1839 John Corrill left the church and wrote a small pamphlet on his time in Mormonism. He wrote:

    “I have left you, not because I disbelieve the bible, for I believe in God, the Saviour, and religion the same as ever; but when I retrace our track, and view the doings of the church for six years past, I can see nothing that convinces me that God has been our leader; calculation after calculation has failed, and plan after plan has been overthrown, and our prophet seemed not to know the event till too late. If he said go up and prosper, still we did not prosper; but have labored and toiled, and waded through trials, difficulties, and temptations, of various kinds, in hope of deliverance. But no deliverance came. The promises failed, and time after time we have been disappointed; and still were commanded, in the most rigid manner, to follow him, which the church did, until many were led into the commission of crime; have been apprehended and broken down by their opponents, and many have been obliged to abandon their country, their families, and all they possessed, and great affliction has been brought upon the whole church. What shall we say to these things? Did not your prophet proclaim in your ears that the day was your own, and you should overcome; when in less than a week you were all made prisoners of war, and you would have been exterminated, had it not been for the exertions and influence of a few dissenters, and the humane and manly spirit of a certain officer?”


    My faith crisis ended with a confirmation that God was real and the BOM was what it claimed to be. That was it. For a long time I tried to convince myself that JS was part of that equation, but he wasn’t. Over the last 6 months or so, as I’ve taken the time to investigate every line of the published revelations, I know understand why. Yes, some tampering has occurred. Records have been altered, revelations revised and edited. We have documentary evidence to support that. But LDS-ism so diametrically opposed to the Book of Mormon that one must choose one or the other…

    Wild times!


  2. Your premise would stand to reason if Joseph Smith was indeed a Gentile and only a Gentile. 2 Nephi 3:22 – 24 has long struck me as odd on how it refers to “one mighty among them” that would be raised up amongst Joseph’s seed. Notice that Lehi promises Joseph that his seed should not be destroyed.
    Joseph of old is quoted, in that same chapter, as saying that the then future Joseph would be the “fruit of (his) loins.”
    My theory is Joseph Smith is not only a descendant of Joseph of old, but also of Joseph, son of Lehi. It’s a mighty big stretch for sure, for this to be the case, and it is completely dependent upon how you read vs 24.


    • Which premise are you referring to that would stand to reason if Joseph was indeed a Gentile and only a Gentile?
      I personally don’t think it means much that Lehi promises his son Joseph that his seed won’t be destroyed, because this was promised to all of Lehi’s descendants. The only difference between the seed of Laman and Lemuel and the rest of the children was that the Nephite seed would survive in fewer numbers, and would be a mixture of Lamanite and Nephite blood. The Lamanite seed would be less mixed. But I agree verse 24 has more than one reasonable interpretation.


  3. After Millenia since Abraham was around, would anyone currently alive be purely descended from only one bloodline? Whilst yes Gentile descendants may have stayed pure-ish for quite a while, in this day and age people are scattering freely across the globe interbreeding as they see fit.
    Whilst JS may have a ancestor somewhere on his family tree descended from Abraham, there was likely another ancestor on the tree that wasn’t a descendant of Abraham. Also, as he was not in Jerusalem, based on the word Gentile (foreigner) he can be deemed a Gentile to the Israelites geographically. Meaning he could be both a Gentile (foreigner to Jerusalem) and of the actual lineage of Abraham (non-Gentile).



    • Yes, we agree. At this point in history, almost everyone in Europe and the Americas, and in Israel and other parts of the Middle East and Africa, is a mix of Abrahamic and non-Abrahamic blood, and their blood line has become irrelevant both to them and to the Lord in determining their chosenness. The only reason I use the word Gentile in my essay is to clarify what the Book of Mormon means when it uses that term. In the Book of Mormon, the “Gentiles” aren’t being classified by the percentage of Israelite blood within them, but rather, to distinguish them from those practicing the Jewish religion. In the Book of Mormon, Gentiles are that group of people that in the last 2,000 years, lived in Europe, embraced Christianity, and later either stayed there or migrated to the Americas. Joseph Smith was clearly of Israelite lineage as well as non-Israelite lineage, but he’s referred to as part of the Gentiles because of his religious orientation and Euro-American cultural background.

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